http://www.bit.ly/jwleaks-anonymous.
hello citizens of the world.
we are anonymous.. dear brothers and sisters,.
Yes. Even worse.
You guys need to read the last 5 years of articles written on Anon over on arstechnica, including all the comments for attached articles. Read up on WikiLeaks and Julian Assange, as it's closely related to this topic of legalities of undisclosed leaks.
Anon had some cache back in the day to force change, but has lost the power of even 3 years ago by over-extending and more importantly, displaying a contempt for law, preferring anarchy.
Its a can of worms...
http://www.bit.ly/jwleaks-anonymous.
hello citizens of the world.
we are anonymous.. dear brothers and sisters,.
Lets just say that someone's Ex-JW mindset ("I'm right, it's you OTHER guys who are all wet") is showing... The delusional intoxication of moral certainty.
Ah well, as the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water... (y'all know the rest)
http://www.bit.ly/jwleaks-anonymous.
hello citizens of the world.
we are anonymous.. dear brothers and sisters,.
Cedars,
You are naive.... Well intentioned, but very naive.
I feel your frustration, really. But this is not the way criminal justice works, it just isn't.
Any defense lawyer fresh out of law school would be all over the issue of the source of the evidence, and Anon's name comes up? The same name that has resulted in many other dismissals before trial, that has thumbed their noses at FBI? Who's members are being prosecuted by the Justice Depts Feder prosecutors? The group who's name means not just ZERO credibiltiy, but LESS THAN ZERO?
You REALLY need to get legal advice....
http://www.bit.ly/jwleaks-anonymous.
hello citizens of the world.
we are anonymous.. dear brothers and sisters,.
Cedars,
Are you going to argue with Solomon? ;)
I'm saying that if you want to present the evidence for the case to be tried in the court of public opinion, fine. Break the law to hack systems, taint the evidence, and grant immunity to the guilty in the process.
But don't expect this action to force actual real-live justice (eg the Condi case, with a valid verdict and actual $$$$ awarded). The court of public opinion cannot convict molesters of a felony, send them to prison, put them on Megan's Law website, allow others to sue in civil court for damages, etc. That applies not only to the individual molester, but to the Society as well.
In fact, there have been some companies that are suspected of exposing incriminating evidence by setting up their own self-inflicted "Anon attack", just to dispose of the evidence (it beats shredding, as they can always claim Anon tampered with the evidence and added names, etc). An Anon attack gives them the best of both worlds: plausible deniability AND claiming to be a victim... Maybe you want to sanitize the WTS' dirty laundry for them?
http://www.bit.ly/jwleaks-anonymous.
hello citizens of the world.
we are anonymous.. dear brothers and sisters,.
The BEST thing that could happen to a real-live child molester from a legal standpoint is to have the evidence made public by Anon: it gives their lawyers the grounds to claim it as it as admissible, possibly tainted. Ironic that the action becomes a get out of jail free card for anyone who IS guilty.
Anon's actions, from a prosecutorial angle, are completely irresponsible; it's hi-tech vigilantism, the on-line version of witch trials. It's no different than if a mob ran into where the files are, and scattered them on the streets of Brooklyn. Since the evidence was out of a chain of custody (ie obtained with a valid subpoena, sealed when kept as evidence or used for investigative purposes by LEOs), it's rendered inadmissible.
i was telling my gf about my mom's removal as a regular pioneer when she was about 80 years old because she went to my daughter's wedding (and she married a non-jw).. my girlfriend couldn't grasp the severity of my mother's sin and as i explained the witnesses' position, it all sounded so absurd!.
have you experienced anything similar?.
Well, the answer to THAT is to not have worldly friends and be home-schooled: problem solved... ;)
i was telling my gf about my mom's removal as a regular pioneer when she was about 80 years old because she went to my daughter's wedding (and she married a non-jw).. my girlfriend couldn't grasp the severity of my mother's sin and as i explained the witnesses' position, it all sounded so absurd!.
have you experienced anything similar?.
"I just shake my head now at how I was "okay" with this arrangement and saw it implemented within several families. Mothers and fathers completely shunning their children and actually go around telling others how they have to follow the organization and do as instructed."
It's amazing how they rationalize saving their own everlasting skin by throwing their own children under the bus, and then BRAG about it, no less (which invalidates the "sacrifice" by making a show of it)! It's no wonder their children who wake up then doubt everything, including what love really means.....
i was telling my gf about my mom's removal as a regular pioneer when she was about 80 years old because she went to my daughter's wedding (and she married a non-jw).. my girlfriend couldn't grasp the severity of my mother's sin and as i explained the witnesses' position, it all sounded so absurd!.
have you experienced anything similar?.
Nah, that's just the way they put old publishers out to pasture: crush their spirit.
What: were they expecting a gold watch or a 401k package? :)
we are adults here and don't want jwn to reflect a hostile enviornment for lurkers who may.
wish to learn about the watchtower.
many first timers might be very curious to discover whether.
Wow, thumbs up aGuest. You said alot of my thoughts for me.
(excuse me for skipping the personal bickering on the prior pages. I'm not here to play the inevitable 'mines bigger than yours' games with anyone. If someone doesn't take your point, oh well: I tried. Life goes on....)
Something that's always rubbed me the wrong way in life is those who put on airs of false friendliness, bestowing wishes of peace, love. Etc. Excuse me, but have we even met? You call me "friend" and even "brother"? Do I KNOW you?
In reading this thread, it occurred to me WHY I find it repulsive: it reminds me of one of the psychological techniques used by JWs to lure people into joining, ie seeking out the lonely souls who enter the doors of the KH, even with an elder serving as air traffic controller dispatching brothers and sisters to ensure a "personal" contact is made with the newcomer, finding how they entered (ie did they pass by, invited, etc?). I've managed sales teams where good customer service is key, and recognize a powerful sales technique when I see one! It WORKS to sell religion as well as commodities.
Ex-JWs SHOULD know a snow job when they see one, and the mandate to avoid publicly disagreeing AT ALL COSTS. In fact, realize that those coming out of the JW experience need REAL TRUTHS (which in real life includes disagreement) and may find the faux friendliness as equally off-putting. They need a dose of reality, not more of the hair of the dog that bit them. (Its ironic that some of you want a recreation of what you left?)
Otherwise, they are likely to join another liberty-sapping cult that merely offers just a slightly different flavor of cult.
this comment was found in the august, 2012 awake.
students who cheat are like a fake brand-namewristwatch that only looks good.
this seems a rather odd thing to say considering jws should not be materialistic.. generally most fake brands are copying expensive designer brands otherwise they wouldn't bother making them.
It's a tough job playing the role of WT apolegetist, but someone's gotta do it; here goes nothing:
EVERYONE'S TAKING IT COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT!!
Whew, that was kinda fun, and actually much easier than it looks....
